Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

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JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

Adrian Manic 08/05/2003, 4:42 PM
Hi

I live in the UK and have decided to obtain my PPL, with the possible aim of continuing aviation as a career.

I have decided to attend UK Flight Training (www.ukft.com) and flight school based in California. They have advised me it is better to take a JAR Compliant PPL which, not only allows me to fly in the USA, but also in Europe, and apparantly in any ICAO Contracting State.

I quote "The JAR (Joint Aviation Regulations) Compliant PPL is a package we have introduced due to popular demand. This PPL is basically an American PPL together with the relevant European ground exams to make it compliant with the European Joint Aviation Authorities Regulations. The reason for this Package being so popular is that this License it is considerably less expensive to maintain current and gives you more flying privileges than the JAA PPL. This License is valid in all International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) member countries, which includes the UK as well as 186 other countries. After we introduced the JAR Compliant PPL the CAA were receiving so many calls from people checking the validity of this License in the UK that they have now put the confirmation of validity on their website – http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/licensing/faq.asp?faqid=208"

They have told me that the JAR Compliant PPL is better value for money as it included as night rating and, is cheaper to maintain that a JAA License. They gave me these figures:

JAA PPL
Initial Medical £150
Medical Renewals £268
License Issue Fee (4 to 6 weeks before issue) £147
5 year Licence Re-issue £57
Minimum flight requirements to maintain licence valid £4392
Total £5014

JAR Compliant PPL
Initial Medical £40
Medical Renewals £80
Licence Issue Fee (Immediate License issue £00
Licence valid for Life £00
Minimum flight requirements to maintain licence valid £585
Total £705

It seems to me that the JAR Compliant PPL is the way forward. But also too good to be true? The course is a guaranteed 50hr course.

However I am concerned that I have not heard much about JAR Compliant PPLs from other flight schools. Has anyone done one? Does anyone have any advice for me?

Much appreciated.

Adrian

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

John Everton 11/05/2003, 2:22 PM
What they are saying Adrian is that you can fly in UK airspace in a G registered aircraft with an ICAO (FAA in this case) licence in VFR daytime.

That may suit most people

To keep it valid, every 2 years you have to do a BFR (biannual flight review costs about £120,1 hr flight 1 hr ground depending on your currency)

If you decide you want to leave uk airspace as pilot in command you need a N (FAA) registered aircraft, or a pilot friend could fly and log the foreign sector.

Or you could decide to go take air law and nav written, pay for the jaa med and do a flight test and then pay 175 quid for a licenc/se which will arrive up to 6 weeks later and then fly abroad and at night in a G reg.
It depends what flying you wish to do
Hope this helps
John

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

Adrian Manic 13/05/2003, 11:02 AM
Thanks John. Your reply was very helpful.

I have checked with the Flight School and the course includes the Air Law and Nav / RT tests so I am able to fly a G-Reg aircraft in the UK and Europe.

I can also renew the license in the UK every 2 years - I was concerned that I had to return to the USA to do this.

Regards

Adrian

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

Menno van der Werf 18/05/2003, 8:13 PM
Hello Adrian,

If you want to fly a G-Reg abroad, you will have to convert your FAA license to a JAA license. By just taking the exams will give you no rights in this respect.

You have to hold a JAA PPL.

To convert your FAA license to a JAA license you will need at least 100 hours. When you passes the JAA RT exam you can get a JAA RT license though.

Using the US route will cost you more as doing your PPL over here in the UK. There's also the thing of getting used to the flying in the UK. It will cost you some instruction hours.

Personally I did my PPL in the US and converted it to a CAA/PPL, and I realised after all it wasn't cheaper. The experience was worthwhile though.

Menno van der Werf

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

Simon Hodge 19/06/2003, 1:11 PM
Hello everyone,
Boy am I glad to see that I'm not the only one wondering about the JAR Compliant PPL from UKFT. The info I have been given from UKFT is that you WILL be able to fly in ANY ICAO country after the licence is issued. This contradicts what Menno is saying. Now I am confused! Does anybody know of the relevant authority to speak to to get this cleared up. I don't want to spend all that money if its not worth the paper its written on!

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

Sander Poppes 19/06/2003, 8:57 PM
It's also possible to get your JAA PPL in the USA. That's a cheaper way.
The only thing you have to do is make a couple of hours in the UK when you're back, so you can learn the rules of flying in the UK.

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

Leland Vandervort 30/06/2003, 8:18 PM
Hi Simon,

This story sounds a lot more like a bunch of "marketing fluff" than what it really is meant to be. I would suspect that in this case someone has mutated the words "JAR Compliant" simply to mean "ICAO Recognised" (which the JAR is anyway).. and thus they're basically trying to tell you that it's nothing more than an FAA PPL (which is also ICAO recognised).

In their marketing blurb, however, they do need to get some of their pricing facts right. The initial medical, yes, is £150. The renewal every 2 or 3 years (depending on age) is by NO MEANS more than the initial... someone needs to pull the other one, it has bells on it.

With this license, you will of course be able to fly N registered aircraft anywhere that the ICAO license is recognised, and will be able to fly G- registered aircraft in UK airspace (subject to the aircraft operator's policy and insurance cover, of course). It is NOT, however, a JAA PPL and should by no means be considered as such.

In order to convert a so-called "JAA Compliant" license to a "real" JAA license, you will have to do a conversion .. the same as anyone else with an ICAO license.

It *IS*, however, possible to get a JAA license in the US, and if you want the full JAR recognition on it, it might be better to follow that route. You can then use that license to get an FAA "Restricted PPL" which you can add FAA ratings onto if you really want. (but those ratings will not be recognised on the JAA license). In this case, "restricted" merely means that it is only valid as long as the "foreign" license on which it was issued is also valid (and the associated medical, of course).

Best of luck

Leland

Moral of the story: don't believe all the marketing hype you read.

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

Egor Moskowski 26/08/2009, 9:18 AM

Returning back to that old-time topic - seems like this issue is still important, as UKFT is still announcing their Jar Compliant..

I'm wondering - if anybody obtained it from them?

I'd like to get my PPL in US and be able fly in Europe.

Originally I'm from Russia, but here there is no JAA schools.

Any advices appreciated

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

Blue Bandit 29/07/2010, 11:02 AM
Hello

I have just joined this website and I am considering obtaining the JAR Compliant licence (FAA Licence) in the USA. From what I have read, it seems easier to maintain and can allow the holder to fly in both the UK and USA. I was thinking of doing the NPPL, but this does not allow you to fly ouside UK airspace. Have any other members obtained their licence through the FAA route?

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

TimmyP 06/08/2010, 9:45 PM
If you've got an FAA license, you will only be allowed to fly outside the UK in an N-registered aircraft (American registered).

You'll be able to fly a G-reg (british reg) in the UK, but not abroad, the same as an NPPL (except you can now fly a G-reg on an NPPL in France subject to some conditions).

If you want to fly abroad in a G-reg aircraft, you'll need a JAR PPL.

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

piperflyer180 09/08/2010, 5:23 PM

I fly to France quite offen on a FAA licence no problem. I know people that have taken the trouble to write to the french CAA and have been given permission in writing.

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

Blue Bandit 17/08/2010, 1:02 PM
Hi Piperflyer 180.

When you fly to France with your FAA Licence, is that in a G reg aircraft or N reg? Some feedback on here implies you cannot fly a G reg aircraft outside UK airspace with a FAA licence.

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

piperflyer180 18/08/2010, 10:06 AM

Thats in a G reg aircraft.

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

Blue Bandit 18/08/2010, 11:36 AM
So its no problem to fly outside UK airspace with a G reg aircraft with a FAA PPL then?

Re: JAR Compliant PPL vs JAA PPL

piperflyer180 18/08/2010, 2:06 PM

I can only say that myself and two friends have not had a problem ,and they have taken the trouble to get written permission from the French.

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